Kamis, 27 Oktober 2011

[PERS-Indonesia] Re: Bls: [GELORA45] Re: Fw: Re: 轉寄︰ Fwd: Gaddafi's last minutes...

 

 
Arnold -
Saja sengaja kirim ini artikel untuk ANDA - special  . Agar Anda bisa berpolemik sendiri dan lebih banyak . Silahkan nikmati sendiri Artikle ini sbg Tambahan dari Artikel yg pernah saya kirim melalui Gelora dan milis lainnya dan yg pasti juga Anda baca  - ikuti  serta yang pernah dan akan Anda baca serta  komentari. 
Saya tahu apa yang saya pikir dan yg bisa saya nilai dan  simpulkan atau yang  saya bisa pahami dng baik -  APA YG MENJADI Background dan SEBAB - DAN
 Apa pula yang menjadi Targetnya - serta  AKIBAT - atau dng kata lain APA   yg menjadi Sebab - Apa yg menjadi dan dijadikan ALASAN - serta Apa yg dimaksud dan Apa pula  Akibat atau Riziko yg  bisa ditimbulkan karenanya .
POLITIK AGRESI  dari AGRESOR (apapun bentuknya dan jenisnya ) bisa segara diketahui dan diraba atau dirasakan dan dipredict dng baik  ..... Jika kita Kita mengenal  dimana Letak atau Background  dan TARGET INTERESTNYA  dan  Metode yg dipakainya .........   (mungkin ini suatu Pelajaran baru bagi seorang Ex Mariner - USMC ....atau bahkan mungkin sebaliknya IA TAHU PERSIS POLITIK AGRESOR ...KARENA ia hidup dalam Lingkungan dan KEHIDUPANNYA -
hanya saja berkepntingan untuk menutup-nutpinya agar TIDAK TERUNGKAP " KEBENARAN YG DISEMBUNYIKANNYA " .....  ) .
 
Saya kira saya tidak berlebihan jika saya katakan bhw  - bhw setiap angouta USMC juga dibekali Kurs special "Psychologie - terutama  War Psychologie dan mungkin bahkan juga Sociologie ).......
 
Tetapi jika Anda mengerti apa yg saya maksud  tsb diatas dan dibawah ini - maka semua yg saya katakan secara sangat singkat ini -  lebih dari hanya Kurs dari Psycho-War  yg pernah Anda dapat se-mata2.........
 
Dan for sure and for your Information : Banyak kebenaran  (THE TRUTH ) yang  tak perlu didiskusikan atau dikomentari dan bhakan yang harus dijadikan Polemik lagi .
KARENA BAGIMANAPUN JUGA " SUATU KEBENARAN ADALAH KEBENARAN " DAN " FAKTA ADALAH FAKTA " --- diluar dari itu hanya ada " INTERPRETASI YG BERBEDA - atau KESAN DAN OPINI ATAU PENDPAPAT YANG BERBEDA  - ATAU POSISI YG BERBEDA - DAN ATAU " ARGUMENT DAN ALASAN YG BERMACAM2 " .
 
 TETAPI SATU HAL YANG SATU ialah bhw :
            
             Salamat malam
                  marc
 
 
 
 
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Gaddafi: Life after death

Topic: Muammar Gaddafi dead

Muammar Gaddafi
14:34 24/10/2011
Yelena Suponina for RIA Novosti

Following the death of former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, all major world news media carried photos and video of his bloodied corpse. There was no doubt in my mind about the authenticity of those images - I saw the man up close several times during his lifetime, both in Tripoli and in Moscow.

However, the fact that Gaddafi's body has now been hidden away may raise some doubts among others. Leaders of the opposition National Transitional Council (NTC) announced Friday that the location of the toppled Libyan dictator's grave would be kept secret.

Gaddafi is to be buried according to Muslim tradition. Unlike Osama bin Laden, the former Libyan leader was killed by his fellow Muslims, and it is highly unlikely they would have violated Islamic burial rites.

No trial for Gaddafi

To conspiracy theorists, the disappearance of Gaddafi's body makes the whole affair all the more dubious. Russian ultranationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky, for one, said that the story about the former Libyan leader's death was a sham. I didn't take his remarks seriously at first, shrugging them off as a publicity stunt ahead of Russia's parliamentary elections. But it soon became clear that Zhirinovsky is not alone.

Even some Russian diplomats admit, off the record, that this might be a well-orchestrated show. Indeed, U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton showed up in Libya just one day before Gaddafi was reported dead. And Libya's rebel leaders began trumpeting their triumph well in advance.

These circumstances bring to mind the discrepancies surrounding Saddam Hussein's capture in Iraq in December 2003 (some of the photos, for instance, showed a palm tree in the background, the color of which was unusual for the season). Saddam took even longer to hunt down than Gaddafi - nine months. But once caught, the former Iraqi leader was put on trial and then executed by hanging. Gaddafi, by contrast, was gunned down without trial, and there is evidence that he was shot to death after having sustained other gunshots. Saddam spent the final part of his life hiding in a bunker, whereas Gaddafi never stopped fighting.

From palace to battlefield

The fact that quite a few members of the Russian political elite doubt the veracity of Gaddafi's death shows there is a high degree of distrust for the West, especially the United States.

Some Russian politicians and political analysts simply find it hard to believe that a ruler with tremendous authority and wealth could spurn opportunities to flee to safety when attacked, choosing instead to face his opponents on the battlefield.

Yet, all my Libyan acquaintances believed Gaddafi when he said he would fight till the end. "That's the ending we've expected," a former Libyan ambassador to Russia, Amir ali Gharib, told me after the announcement of Gaddafi's death. "It was a question of when not if."

This view is shared by Russian diplomats serving in Libya, including Ambassador Vladimir Chamov, whom President Medvedev recalled from Tripoli just a few days before the start of NATO's air strikes in March this year.

Gaddafi would fight to the last breath, people who knew him argued. Mediators are said to have proposed - concurrently with the issuance of an international arrest warrant - that Gaddafi consider the possibility of surrendering. This is not the best way to get someone to cooperate, obviously. But the main reason Gaddafi refused to surrender was his firm belief that the war against him was illegitimate and that the country's civil war would not have broken out without the support of the foreign intervention.

Gaddafi's Bedouin dignity

Gaddafi ruled Libya for some 42 years. He came to power as a 27-year-old military officer in a coup to overthrow King Idris, who was undergoing medical treatment abroad at the time.

The revolution proved to be a piece of cake, but there were great risks involved. The coup was followed by the closing of U.S. and British military bases, and the expulsion of numerous Italian businessmen.

Gaddafi understood that he had enemies inside and outside the country who were plotting to kill him. But he laughed in the face of death. He was in love with life but not afraid to die.

In Sicilia's Mafiosi quarters, a figure like Gaddafi would be described as a true Sicilian, someone who'd rather die than compromise or lose face in the eyes of his inner circle and his clan.

The CIA were well aware of this trait of Gaddafi. Few American politicians doubt that the man was killed near his native town of Sirte on October 20, 2011, along with one of his sons, Motassim, and former defense minister Abu Bakr Yunis. It was here, in Sirte, that Gaddafi was born into a poor Bedouin family 69 years ago.

Back in the 1980s, American investigative journalist Bob Woodward, well connected with the U.S. special services, highlighted the unpredictable and stubborn Libyan colonel's Bedouin dignity. According to Woodward, the discrimination that Gaddafi faced as a student because of his Bedouin origins, both from urban Libyans and Libyan expatriates, resulted in his contempt for elites, allegiance to the Bedouin community, and a sense of solidarity with the oppressed.

In one if his interviews, Gaddafi remarked: "I grew up in a pure environment, free from the infections of modern life."

Gaddafi's vision of death

Psychologists explain Gaddafi's strongly pronounced sense of dignity by the fact that he had spent his childhood and youth in poverty (of the family's six siblings, he was the only one to have been sent to a Muslim school in Sirte and then to a military college). A self-made man, he achieved most things in his life without any outside help or connections, and this added to his conviction that he was destined for greatness.

Rumor has it that fortunetellers had predicted a violent death for Gaddafi and he learned to live with this thought. Being a deeply religious as well as emotionally unstable person (some Western psychiatrists suspected he was slightly schizophrenic), he saw death only as the passage from one form of existence into another. "I often laugh at life," he once said in an interview.

Anatoly Yegorin of the Russian Academy of Sciences' Institute of Oriental Studies introduced me to one of Gaddafi's short stories, in which an astronaut experiences a profound emotional shock on returning to Earth and seeing it changed beyond recognition. Eventually he commits suicide.

In this story, entitled "Death," Gaddafi says people should not be afraid of dying but must try to resist it as long as they can. At a certain point, though, resistance becomes futile and Death, "a man on horseback with sword unsheathed," comes "gently, like a seductress." And in the last minute we must surrender to it.

Anyone who doubts Gaddafi fell while fighting his enemies should read the story. No one who wrote a story like this could flee or surrender. And the fact that the country's new leaders have decided to keep his grave a secret indicates that the war in Libya is not over, and that Gaddafi is more frightening in death than he was in life.


Yelena Suponina is a Moscow News political commentator and a Middle East scholar.









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Indeed - It´s a harmful and Barbarism and SADISTIC MURDER ....
What did NATO do  and think about The Quadaffi´s  brutal Murder  ...?? (.. while The Quadaffi´s end - is also Mr.Blair´s and Sarkozy´s   
   Wishes ....?? )  
 
 
From: samiaji
Date: 25.10.2011 23:17:26
Subject: [GELORA45] Sebelum di Tembak Mati, Kaddafi di Duga di Sodomi
 
 

Sebelum di Tembak Mati, Kaddafi di Duga di Sodomi

25 Okt | 15:16
 
Sebelum di Tembak Mati, Kaddafi di Duga di Sodomi
Sebelum di Tembak, Kaddafi di Duga di Sodomi : Peristiwa penangkapan dan penembakan Pemimpin Libiya, Muammar Kaddafi menyisakan kontroversi yang begitu besar, dan menimbulkan pertanyaan - pertanyaan yang membuat kalangan masyarakat ingin tahu. Selain di duga ia di tembak dari jarak dekat ketika Kaddafi tertangkap, Kaddafi juga di duga di sodomi. Diduga Khadafi disodomi dengan alat seperti pisau atau sejenis perkakas.

Penyiksaan terhadap Khadafi direkam dengan video ponsel yang didapatkan secara ekslusif oleh GlobalPost, kemudian dianalisis frame per frame, seperti dilansir GlobalPost, Selasa (25/10/2011). Video itu sepanjang 3 menit 55 detik.

Adegan yang tertangkap video ponsel itu, sesaat setelah Khadafi ditangkap dari pipa pembuangan, kemudian ada seseorang yang mencoba memasukkan alat ke pantat Khadafi. Ekspresi muka Khadafi tampak kesakitan hingga beberapa saat kemudian Khadafi terlihat diseret dengan telanjang dada yang berlumuran darah, di dada dan kepala.

Analisis frame per frame video itu menangkap dengan jelas, tentara pemberontak mencoba memasukkan benda seperti tongkat atau pisau ke bagian dubur Khadafi yang mengenakan celana krem. Alat apa tepatnya yang digunakan, masih menjadi pertanyaan besar.

Koresponden GlobalPost Tracey Shelton mengatakan alat itu kemungkinan adalah pisau dari ujung senjata api, yang dikenal orang Libya sebagai Bicketti atau nama dagangnya Becker Knife and Tool yang populer disebut BKT.

Video ini membuat kelompok HAM dan dunia internasional meminta diadakan penyelidikan formal atas bagaimana mantan pemimpin Libya itu dibunuh. Menurut Konvensi Jenewa, bagaimana pun, kekerasan terhadap tahanan dalam keadaan apa pun tidak diperbolehkan.

Sebelumnya, Muammar Khadafi tewas di tangan tentara revolusioner pada Kamis (20/10), yang lalu di kampung halamannya di Sirte. Khadafi diyakini tewas setelah terjadi baku tembak antara rombongannya dengan tentara NATO. Lalu, ia bersembunyi di sebuah gorong-gorong.

Pasukan NTC yang memburunya lantas menangkap Khadafi. Setelah itu, Khadafi dieksekusi menggunakan senjata api. Beberapa versi menyatakan Khadafi sempat meminta ampun agar tidak dibunuh. Namun, akhirnya penguasa 42 tahun di Libya itu tewas di tangan oposisi.

Selama beberapa hari ini, jenazah Khadafi disimpan di ruang pendingin daging di pasar di Kota Misrata. Warga terus berdatangan untuk melihat dan memfoto jasad pria berumur 69 tahun itu. Namun pada Senin, 24 Oktober kemarin, jasad Khadafi telah ditutup untuk umum dikarenakan sudah sangat membusuk. 

Setelah ditunda beberapa hari, jasad Muammar Khadafi akhirnya akan dikuburkan hari Selasa waktu setempat. Menurut pejabat Dewan Transisi Nasional (NTC), mantan pemimpin Libya itu akan dikuburkan di daerah gurun pasir yang dirahasiakan.

Sumber Lenkapnya : Sebelum di Tembak, Kaddafi di Duga di Sodomi

 
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 Don't shoot! Dictator begs for his life after being dragged from a drain. Seconds later he was summarily executed

Pleading: Muammar Gaddafi pleaded with his captors for his life after he was found cowering in a storm drain
Paraded: Gaddafi struggled with his captors in video footage taken by rebel fighters after he was captured
Terrified: Gaddafi pleaded for his life after he was captured by rebel fighters
Fear: Becoming increasingly desperate, Gaddafi asked a rebel fighter 'What did I ever do to you'
Chaotic: Gaddafi was pushed around by rebel fighters, one of whom filmed the incident on a mobile telephone
Struggle: Video footage shows Gaddafi being hauled off a rebel fighter truck minutes after his capture
Manhandled: Rebel fighters pictured being taken off a truck shortly after he was detained
Arguing: Gaddafi pictured in chaotic video footage minutes before he was killed
 
 
Bundled: An ambulance carries Gaddafi's body from Sirte to Misrata
Transporting: An ambulance, containing happy rebel fighters, carries Gaddafi's body after he was executed
Brutal: There had been fierce fighting around the drain before Gaddafi was finally killed. The body of a fighter can be seen in the dust at the centre of the screen
Already a monument: As celebrations continued, more and more graffiti appeared at the entrance to the drain where the leader was eventually found
Battleground: Bodies of suspected Gaddafi loyalists lie outside the storm drains their leader was captured
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* Obamy, Camerona, Sarkozy, Barossa and  Berlusconi, embraced Qaddáfí so much , and than  like the deceitful JUDAS knocked and hit HIM down and without any compassion and mercy betrayed  Him and began to drop bombs  (on Lybia´s  souverinity state)   ........
 
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....and that all happened and They all  did ...."ON BEHALF  OF " HUMANITY AND WORLD´S  DEMOCRATIZATIONPROCESS " ....... by misused THE UNATED NATION ORGANISATION and IT´S SECURITY COUNSIL ............ (WHAT A FALSE and SHAMFULL CIVILIZATION ,INDEED ! ), mrc.
 
 

Bellum ita suscipiatur, ut nihil aliud nisi pax quaesita videatur  The War must be done in such a way .....to create impression (among people ) that  we talk and fight for FREEDOM   **/.......  (Cicero ).......
**/..... And that is the real Face and Fact of the Real dirty and Proper " OIL POLITICS " - THE FACE OF IMERIALISM NOWADAYS !
 
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